I haven’t posted since Tuesday, so I thought I’d give a quick update of how it has been going at the tables. In one word…shitty! The bad beats are coming in from all directions. I flop 2 pair and someone calls me down going runner runner for a bigger two pair. I flop the nut straight and someone hits a 3 outter on the river for a bigger straight. I flop a full house with the hammer and someone spikes an ace on the river with his A7 for a bigger full house. I flop trips and someone calls me down hitting a 2 outter on the river for a full house. These are just a couple of examples. The other day in a span of 10 minutes I got beat on the turn or river 5 times by someone with 5 outs or less.
It’s simply impossible to come out ahead when the other players are pulling cards out of their ass like this. It’s at times like this when it really makes you wonder if online poker is rigged. I know it’s now, but I’d be lying if I didn’t admit the thoughts enter my head once in awhile. I can’t complain about the horrible players I guess, but it would be nice if my monsters would hold up to those drawing dead (2-4 outs) once in awhile. It’s extremely hard to recover from losing a 20 BB pot that you were the clear favorite in. Especially when it happens more than once.
Sorry about the bad beat whining, but I needed to get it out of my system somehow. Screaming at my monitor hasn’t seemed to help at all.
Nick Momrik 
I told you these sites are rigged. Although the above story is even more insideous than I ever imagined.
What I dont undertand is why do you people assume the games are fair and continue to make excuses for these sites.
I said in an earlier post that no gambling operation has ever been legit and I stand by it. The only time they are legit is when they are forced to be by the government.
I also said that who ever makes the software probably is getting a cut. well I was wrong about that. It turns out that at party poker THEY MAKE THE SOFTWARE!!!
so lets review; they make the software, base their company in some far off land far away from US regulators and they tell you how legit they are. And blind sheep like zdaddy and nick say they make millions just from the rake alone, WRONG!!!! people that run gambling operation never want just their cut they want it all. PERIOD!!!!
and FYI the only money I play with on any of these sites is the money I make from playing and winning freerolls. I would never but a penny into these sites
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Nick2,
Go away! That’s what you call a bad beat. Happens all the time in poker. Get used to it. You want those people calling you because they won’t hit their runner runner everytime and you’ll make money off of them.
Haven’t you got something better to do than chase conspiracy theories?
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What part don’t you understand Nick? They “chase” their runner-runner because they are able to control the cards and know what cards will come up. How can you possibly believe that computer generated cards are random. The only other explanation for those “bad beats” is that the dude taking the pots does not like money. Is that more likely than taking pots for the house?
Here’s how I will prove my point on why poker sites are not happy with their cut of millions of dollars:
Sportsbooks receive millions of dollars of action everyday right? And they have a juice of about 110 to 100 (or 10%) right? That’s 5% off every wager. They must be making millions in vig alone yet they STILL WANT YOUR ENTIRE BANKROLL. Once you’ve made your deposit, the money is theirs, WIN OR LOSE!
They will give you the hardest time of your life making a withdrawal. They will put withdrawal penalties on you, charge you hefty fees just to be able to touch your own money. On top, they will make you sign dozens of documents, fax them identication pieces and scan pictures and go through a long horror process just to be eligible to make a withdrawal. Noe for deposits. Oh no, for deposits they’ll take your money right away.
They will repeat the horror process every 6 months or $5000 or transaction.
So they don’t just want their cut/juice/rig, they want IT ALL! You entire bankroll! Not just PartyPoker.
The only way to make money with them is to be susscessful in sports betting and give in your time and energy through the horror process.
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With that “proof” you should go to the FBI.
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Well first of all they are all located overseas, ie: OUTSIDE of the United States. So the FBI couldn’t to much.
And second, how many times have you seen the government actually do anything about a certain casino in Vegas breaking the law? They are in the same side. Their piece of the pie is huge.
The only liability any casino/sportsbook might have is the loss of customers, loss of business and credibility. A casino/spotrsbook can get away with not paying its winning customers. But they don’t do it because they will lose the customer and more as word will spread. But no punishment whatsoever.
The FBI will only tell you not to play at these online Poker rooms. They want you to play in the U.S. where they can tax the casinos you play at. They’re not gonna spend money shutting down the thousands of rigged online Pokerrooms.
Especially with naive suckers like you on their side.
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Are you actually denying that there are long term winners who exist, playing online poker, that are not employees of a corporation or some insidious computer hacker? Or are you insinuating that they allow some people to win so that they’ll help perpetuate the myth that online poker is legit? I know, maybe online poker is run by The Masons, who use the money they make off of the 200 NL tables at Party Poker to topple governments and assassinate world leaders to advance their own agenda?
Again, you post a bunch of hypothetical nonsense about all this illegal money they could be making, followed by a single hand history where you got sucked out on. Is it a massive suckout? Yes. Does it do ANYTHING to prove that online poker is rigged? Not in the least.
A final note…you’re playing NL 200 with only money “you’ve won playing freerolls” since you “never put money into any of these sites”. It must be a tough game to crack, filled with numerous cheaters and shill/bots in order for you to build a bankroll able to handle NL 200 from freeroll winnings. Even a “retard” can see you’re completely full of crap.
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oops, the guy who called me a retard didn’t make the statement about playing with only freeroll money….I guess he thinks it’s ok to deposit enough money to play 4/8 NL while thinking that it’s rigged. Heh, and I’m the “retard”…
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Im thr free roll guy. I dont believe that the sites use bots or shills(although I wouldnt be shocked if they did) I do believe that the sites are rigged however.
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What the hell are you talking about zdaddy300? Topple the government? Assasinate leaders? Never mind all the fancy sarcasm.
I wasn’t referring to one hand. I was referring to the hundreds of hands in which people made such silly moves and took so many huge pot that I’m convince online Poker is rigged. Would you like a list? If people can build chess programs able to beat the greatest chess players in the world, analysing billions of positions per second, Poker is nothing compared to that.
They can even make a “suckers list” of less than professional players than would come back no matter what, but would withdrawal winnings quite often. Then they would program in a way to “set-up” that sucker to always lose. eg: give him AA vs. KK and K would hit, give him AQ vs someone’s AK, etc. I used to win like that. Assuming they are suckering those opponents of mine. And I loved these opponents. But then it was my turn to be the victim, right after my big cash-out.
Just compare Poker to Chess and the electronic technology to manipulate it. It’s really not hard. Only on online Poker would someone call half of his stack with 4-7 offsuit on an A-K-5 raimbow flop. Or 4-8 offsuit on an A-A-2 no-flush-draw-flop. There are only three logical explanation to that:
1. He is a shill/bot.
2. He thinks because it’s online Poker, runner-runner will be coming as the cards are not random and something spectacular is programmed to happen every once in a while. Very innocent on his part yhough.
Or 3. He hates money.
Now you be the judge.
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Poker/Chess is apples to oranges, first of all. Chess is a game of complete information…each contestant knows exactly what the current situation is, and where every piece is laying. Poker is a game of imperfect information. I don’t know what the other guy has, and I don’t know what the next cards will bring. I can think of worse comparisons to make your point, but not many.
Again, you “prove” online poker is rigged by stating what an online poker site “could” do in theory, and state a few bad beats where reckless calls cost on the part of some unkown player cost you money. Give us some hand histories! Give us some poker tracker stats where you’ve lost 89% of your AA pocket cards heads up over 1500 trials. Give us something other than the products of your imagination, ’cause they just don’t hold up.
Lastly, I’ve seen some mindblowingly stupid play in B&M casino tables as well. I saw a lady call a 742 dollar all-in with J-9 on an unraised pre-flop pot of 40 dollars and a board of A 10 2 rainbow because, and I quote “I thought sure he was bluffing.” Needless to say, Q on the turn, K on the river. She couldn’t even beat a lot of bluffs…needless to say, the schmuck with AA was ticked. Bad beat stories happen in live play too, and they don’t prove anything.
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zdaddt300,
No I don’t have any proof that would stand in court. And I don’t keep track of thousands of hands. All I know is that the same players that folded the minimum bet against my set of Aces after raising preflop stayed in hands and even called all in when their only hope was runner-runner. Those are not stupid players.
Not 89% but 100% of my games after my cashout had a negative impact. Like whenever I had a monster, not one player would call, if anyone would call, he would hit his runner-runner.
In tournaments:
Scenario 1:
Me: AA
Him: AQ
Flop: 864
Turn: Q
River: Q
Could also be something like: Flop: A-K-10, Turn: x River: J or a flush using four cards on the board for the other player.
Scenario 2 (the all-in set ups):
a)
Me: QQ
Him: KK
GAME OVER
Similariy, Scenario 2:
b)
Me: AK
Him: 22
GAME OVER (A & K repulsive)
Scenario 2:
c)
Me: JJ
Him: 10-10
10 hits.
Scenario 3:
Me: JJ, raise reflop, 3 players in.
Flop: J 4 7 raimbow
One player bets minimum, everyone folds, I call.
Turn: x He checks, I bet, he folds immediately.
Scenario 4:
As I mentionned in many posts above, the runner-runner dumb catches. This is by far the most convincing scenario that online Poker is rigged.
Scenario 5:
Me: KQ-spades, limp in.
Player 1: Raise 3x Big Blind
Player 2: Call
Player 3: Call
Me: Call
Player 4: Reraise to 5x BB
Everyone calls.
Flop: As 8s 5d
Player 1: Bets big
Call all around.
Turn: 9s
Player 1 bets again, calls around and player 5 raises, everyone folds but player 1, me and player 5. Lots of action all around.
River: 5
And well you can guess the rest. Player 5 had A5.
This happened a lot with real money Hold ’em as well (as opposed to tournament play).
Although this cound happeen very commonly in real life, 100% of my hands fell in one of the scenarios above following my cash-out. So gicen this benefit, I have 80% evidence.
In summary:
1. Have lock, somehow lost to the only possible combination.
2. The “set up”. Delt KK againt AA, 10-10 against JJ, etc.
3. I have monster and everyone folds “before even looking at their cards”.
4. Those dumb runner-runners (the actual shills)
5. And the river beats. You may count this one as the ONLY scenario that could happen in real life just as commonly without being rigged.
The others happen way more frequently than in real life or what the numbers would suggest.
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Nick2,
Why are you even on the Internet? Don’t you know the government is tracking your every typed word? They are recording every word you speak on the phone too. Your car probably has an undetectable GPS somewhere so they can track everywhere you drive.
5 hands where you lost does absolutely nothing to show that online poker is rigged. Nothing! The reason you can’t post hand historys where the guy didn’t catch runner is because he folds on the turn or river. Most people will stay in when they catch one card and then when they catch a second one of course they are going to stay in and beat you.
Learn how to fold…
For your reading pleasure here is a hand I played in a casino…
I raise pre-flop with AK and get a few callers. The flop is rags (something like 853), so I bet out and I get one caller. The turn is an Ace, so I bet again and get called. The river is a 2 and I get check-raised. What do you think he had? T4o. Casino poker must be rigged right? This guy should not have called me pre-flop, flop, or turn. But…I’m glad he did, because I’ll make money off of him the very large majority of the time when he keeps calling with that trash.
You can keep posting bad beat hands all you want. I have statistics on thousands upon thousands of hands and my win percentages are pretty damn close to what the odds say they should be. Until you can come up with some real data that you only win with AA 10% of the time over 10,000 hands, you have no basis for any of your arguments. And you know what else? You’ll never get that data to put up a valid argument.
Online poker is NOT rigged!
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I didn’t say it was 5 hands, I said it was 5 types of hands. And don’t worry about 10%, 100% of my hands fell into that category. I am not the only one who had that horror experience online after a cashout. Just search it out on Google.
Every hand, and I mean EVERY hand I went all in with a hand like TT/JJ/QQ etc against AK/AQ, etc, he always hit. My AK against his A9, 9 will hit. Even if I have AKs, well hey that’s not a hand, he will call my all in with 58s and beat me with a pair of fives on the river.
You don’t have to believe what I say. Just Google the subject and let me know what you find. Keywords: “online poker rigged”.
P.S.: That government thing is BS. Even if we were tracked, we still live in a country of free speech.
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As I’ve said before…I’d like to see your statistics to show this “100%” and “every hand” bullshit. Take your free speech somewhere else because I’ve read enough of your comedy.
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I think I have provided enough hands to prove my point. I already told you I don’t have a record of a thousand hands, nobody does. That is why it’s so easy for them to rig it.
Tell me, what site do you work for?
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Showing 5-10 hands does not prove online poker is rigged, not even close. I could lose 5 hands in a row with AA, but that doesn’t prove online poker is rigged. I once had a streak of winning over 20 times in a row with AA, but that does not prove online poker is rigged either. In order to show anything you need thousands upon thousands of hands.
Nobody has a record of a thousand hands? Think again! I know a lot of people (at least 10) who each have over 10,000 hands on record and I’m one of those people.
I don’t work for a poker site, but I do run two poker sites (this one and Poker Chip Tricks).
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It’s the stupidity and yet psychicness of the shills that prove my point, not the fact that I lost hands. I can take a loss. But as I said, when you chase the ONLY two runner-runners in the deck on a 60xBB reraise but fold overcards immediately after a minimum bet, there is something wrong.
He raised preflop, I called with pockets 6s. Flop was something like 10-6-4 and he immediately folded my $8 bet. What could he possibly have that’s so bad for raisig preflop? AK? KQ?… 72? Even that would have the runner-runner option available.
You say you’d want these “suckers” to chase so that you’d make a profit in the lng run but they don’t. Only when they know what’s coming.
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Nick and his daddy, you actually believe that a computer picks “random” cards out of a hat.Everythings is on the up and up.Every online gaming site is in business for one reason only,to separate you from your money.Of course they’re not legit.Who are you gonna report it to?It is illegal for a U.S. citizen to gamble online with a offshore casio.That would be like going to the police to tell them I got shorted on my dime bag.I have played with “play money” on sites and ended up a millionaire with play money only to play for “real money”and get cleaned out in record time.I quit giving these people my money long ago.Yes they make money on every raked hand,but what makes you think the people you are playing against are even people?Yes they are making plenty of money off raked hands but that’s not enough for these greedy assholes who operate these sites.They know that there are tens of thousands of gaming sites with hundreds more popping up every week.From my experience,they are all generious at first.But no matter how good or how lucky you think you are,you will eventually lose.But to think it’s all random is naive.How many people just make one deposit,lose,then never play again?I would say none.It’s fun.It’s competitive.It’s entertaining.But anybody who plays for anything other than play money is a fool.
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Very well said “legit?”. I mean it’s entertainning to see a Royal Flush. That must explain the three Royal Flushes that I witnessed in the same week.
And how about that player that raises/goes All-In in just about every hand? He is a lose-aggressive maniac pushing you around. But wait, we are delt Pocket Cowboys, now it’s our chance to make him pay! He raises big, with all your energy and will to venge, you reraise him All-In, he thinks for a minute, you think you have him cornered no matter what. After a long thought, he calls and flips over his pocket AA.
But when he does his usual All-In with J-7 offsuit and you call with pocket QQ (laughing), he will pull a monkey out of his ass: hit 2 pair, straight or even a flush using four cards on the board. It just happens. More often than in real life that’s for sure.
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That’s quite obvious that it happens more online…you play many more hands per hour online than you do in a live game.
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