I haven’t posted since Tuesday, so I thought I’d give a quick update of how it has been going at the tables. In one word…shitty! The bad beats are coming in from all directions. I flop 2 pair and someone calls me down going runner runner for a bigger two pair. I flop the nut straight and someone hits a 3 outter on the river for a bigger straight. I flop a full house with the hammer and someone spikes an ace on the river with his A7 for a bigger full house. I flop trips and someone calls me down hitting a 2 outter on the river for a full house. These are just a couple of examples. The other day in a span of 10 minutes I got beat on the turn or river 5 times by someone with 5 outs or less.
It’s simply impossible to come out ahead when the other players are pulling cards out of their ass like this. It’s at times like this when it really makes you wonder if online poker is rigged. I know it’s now, but I’d be lying if I didn’t admit the thoughts enter my head once in awhile. I can’t complain about the horrible players I guess, but it would be nice if my monsters would hold up to those drawing dead (2-4 outs) once in awhile. It’s extremely hard to recover from losing a 20 BB pot that you were the clear favorite in. Especially when it happens more than once.
Sorry about the bad beat whining, but I needed to get it out of my system somehow. Screaming at my monitor hasn’t seemed to help at all.
Nick Momrik 
Yes, I do like to argue. š Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is something I feel very strongly about.
As far as the decks being random…online is much more random in my opinion because it’s done by a computer. When shuffling in real life you need to shuffle at least 7 times to achieve true randomness. I don’t ever recall a dealer shuffling the deck 7 times, has anyone else?
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My friend I dont blame you. Online Poker IS RIGGED! How do you think they are making so much money? Online Poker sites have “shills” ie: paid players that occasioanlly go play on tables and have the ablility to see other players’ cards and even what’s coming on flop/turn/river. They can even control these cards, it really isn’t rocket science to do so.
Picture this: I have AK, flop AA2 raimbow and the tight player to my left kept calling my bets no matter how big they were. Turn was a 5 and river was a 3. He had 4-8 offsuit!
All I can think of of my online experience is how often I was set up all the time.
I have AQ, someone else has AK, I have medium/large pocket pair and go all in, someone will call with his Ace-rag offsuit and always catch an Ace.
If I have Ace-High and go against a pocket pair, even deuces, it’s over! He has won it!
Only on online poker will you see 3 Royal Flushes in the same week.
Only on online Poker will Quads beat Quads.
You certainly cannot believe canards like online Poker sites rigging it to cap up a $3 rake. And “oops! Why would they do it for $3? It’s not rigged then” nah-ah! They don’t wanna boost the rake, they want your whole stack! They wanna clean you out!
How about when I had Pocket AA and flop Ah, 6d, 7c and the ************ with Js, 4h called my massive all in only to catch a 8 on the turn and 5 on the river. And when I flopped a straight the same day, the same player that raised preflop folded my bet immediately! And it was a really small bet compared to the pot.
I’m telling you there are “shills” out there just waiting to suck players’ money in.
I have also noticed that you are always set-up (dealt second best cards) after you make a withdrawal and re-deposit. This is what the online poker sites are thiking “How dare this player withdraw his money from us! It’s our!”. So they punish you.
I never got a proper attitude from representatives either when making a withdrawal, and they put me on hold for at least 20 f***ing minutes just to be able to touch my own money!
Well I got that out of my system. But I still believe cards are not random at all. In fact controled by the site quite often.
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The comment above is not from the same Nick as the one above that one. This is my first time here.
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And to the people that think that the Poker site has nothing to gain making the other player win, think again. That other player IS the site: A shill paid by the site, working for the site from the site’s office, using the site’s own special software to control cards.
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Use a different name then! Duh! I changed your name to say Nick2 so that you don’t get confused with my comments.
I would have hated to be the parents of you people when you were younger. It must have been a bitch putting you to sleep at night when you kept seeing monsters under your bed or in your closet.
Ever think of this? Maybe you aren’t good at poker? You can’t win every hand!
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As I’ve said before, I play at PokerRoom, and they have this page that shows that their site is not rigged. I am sure someone will give me the old, “you can’t believe everything you read on the Internet” speach, but do some digging, I am sure most online poker sites show these kind of stats.
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To Nick: What does that have to do with my parents? I have been playing poker for years and never have I seen such beating from such dumb plays (even when playing for Doritos) that I have seen in 3 months of online Poker. Yes more hands are delt. But who would call half his stack with 4-8 offsuit with AA2 on the board? Why would anyone call all-in (not bet), CALL after a preflop raise with absolutely nothing. Hands that are not one-outters but BOTH turn and river have to be of a specific card in order to lose.
Like when I had 10c, 10s: Flop comes out 9s, 10h, 10d (notice the raimbow). Someone bet, I raised big, shill-player calls. Shill-player had 5s and 7s. Turn: 6s and river 8s. Out of the remainning 43 cards, the 6s and 8s were the ONLY cards that could make him a winner. The odds: (1/43)*(1/42)= about 1/1800
You just know it. When someone bluffs raises you in a tournament with 8-3 offsuit and you reraise all in with AQ suited and he beats you with a pair of 3s on the river, something is not right. Tha kind of sh*t happened to me almost everyday on online poker. And mostly by the same player. I had one big winning day, my first day, that was it. The rest, I won most of my hands quantity-wise, lost it all on river beats like those mentionned above.
And don’t say I don’t kow how to play. I know how to play! It’s not rocket-science.
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You want these players making those plays. They are not going to hit their miracle every time. You just don’t remember the hands where you win when you are supposed to. I have plenty of stats and they are legit. Hands win as much as they should.
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No I don’t remember because I don’t play rags on a monster flop so I don’t have the chance to catch runner-runner. I once had KK and flop was QT4 and so I called the person all in. He had QT, I caught a K on the river. Yes I remember. I also remember when I had AA, flop KJ9, he had K-J, all in, I call, Turn: 6 River: 6. But I had decent hands.
*These players* are SHILLS. The only time they chase out of a hundred they catch. They also folded quite easily when I had an unexpected monster hand. ie: Pocket 6s, flop 862. Surely they would have two over cards here or a chance to make straight. If they’d call a big raise with 48 offsuit against AA2 flop or like one of my examples, why fold a $6 bet with an 862 flop offsuit? Especially if I had raised preflop, ie: not likely holding an 8.
Stats only need to be off a negligible degree from legitimacy for the sites to make a fortune trough shills. I can win my good hands according to the stats for hours and lose it all in 2-minutes of bad luck. When the boards was T933 and I had A3 and lost because the dude had pocket KK and caught a K on the river I understand because his hand was hard to fold, and I got lucky on the turn, but there is always a limit. Know what I mean…
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Nick2,
What I meant was that you never take a look at the other players cards when he goes for his bullshit draws and misses. You take your pot with AA and never think about it again. The times you look at the guys hand is usually only when he beats your monster. Take a look at your oppenents hand every time you win a pot and you’ll be very surprised at what they are calling with.
I’m not going to waste my time arguing this anymore with anyone. It’s obvious that you’re not going to change your mind. It really is a sign of a gambling problem though if you are playing a game that you think is rigged…a game that is out to beat you.
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So now I have a gamblin problem. Why are you kissing so much Poker sites ass anyways? Ususally players do fold my AA and you’re right I forget about it. But that one shill player that chased his bullshit and hit immediately folded my monster hand the next hand. Why is that? He must know what trun/river is coming. It is always the same players.
And for your info I have stopped playing rigged poker.
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Ya it is all rigged. sucks cause i love to play poker.
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After playing PartyPoker & Stars for about 500 hours on the play money tables, I just have to laugh how often bad beats and the same type of set-ups occur. I see the same improbable events occur over and over to where I am convinced it is part of the program code. In a random game the outcomes will approach probability theory as the number of hands played becomes larger, I havn’t kept accurate records but my impression is probability is violated.
Why, on play money tables? (I am still to skeptical to slap down real $). Because the program is sophisticated and they use the same one for real and play money. As mentioned in previous posts the program’s main job is to increase the rake by giving as many players as possible good hands with many chances to win a pot increasing the pot size, stimulating betting and make most every hand exciting as turn and river change the best hand. On real money I would not put it past them to have computer generated “players” that win pots for the house.
2 examples of “coded events” I have noticed on PokerStars: The flop will be 3 cards all the same suit (easy to program and give many players 1 or 2 of the same suit to stimulate betting). The probability of 3 same suit is 12/51 * 11/50 = about 1 in 20. Take a deck of cards shuffle, look thru it for 3 suits in a row and after 10-20 decks you will approach the probability prediction. Now keep a record of how often this happens on poker site, significantly shifted toward greater than 1/20 the only explanation is a devious program. I have not kept accurate records, maybe we could pool together a large number of flop events to check out this one example. My general impression is it happens way to often. I’m usually too busy playing 2 45 player sit&gos at once and cussing the bad beats to keep records.
The other programed event I have noticed is an Ace on the flop, especially on the final table.
Probability theory (I think)
(1- (48/52 * 47/51 * 46/50)) = .22
or 52/3 * 1/4 = once every 4.3 flops.
But seems more like every or every other!
BTW, if anyone knows of a site where play does seem more like the action with real cards, please post the name. I hears Pacific was real for a while but then adopted the the same rigged program.
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I’ve played at Full Tilt, UB, Party Poker, Empire Poker, PokerNow, Poker Stars, and MultiPoker. All simulate real action.
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If it walks, talks, and looks like a rigged game, get the F out of Dodge. I have been through B school, aced Stats classes, trade for a living. Got up a healthy amount, winning consistently and then wham…weird, weird beat after beat. Kept telling myself that such low probability hits happen to everyone, just ride it out. Don’t believe it…moved over to PokerStars and suddenly I am smart again, a consistent winner. Don’t care whether its true or not…doubt alone is enough for me to never return.
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Can you “onilne is rigged” theorists actually hear yourselves?
“OMG LIEK SERIUSLY! SOME n00b SHILLZ GUY WITH NO CLUE CALLED WHILE BEHIND AND RIVER-RIVERED ME PEFRECT! IT’S RIGGED ‘CUZ I ROK AND HE SUKS BUT HE WINS!”
Get over it guys. It isn’t rigged. Poker sites make their money with volume…hence the free cash and all that. They don’t make money if everyone leaves because as soon as they win some pots, the power gets turned off and they drop their bankroll. As for action-geared hands, poker sites at any limit about 1/2 make more money playing 30 extra hands per hour than they do by mechanically capping the rake. VOLUME is the cash cow. As for shills, that’s just plain ridiculous. I know shills and props exist. I have a family member propping for an online site right now. He doesn’t have cheat software, and he doesn’t get any favors. He simply gets paid to KEEP TABLES GOING BECAUSE THIS IS A VOLUME BUSINESS!!!!!
Stop using the rigged excuse to keep from taking a good look at your own game and flaws. People have been beating the Party Poker games for years. They aren’t all employees of Party Poker, Inc.
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Thank you zdaddy! Finally someone with common sense!
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Hey JPE…
If a sportsbook isn’t going to be content with 10%, how in the hell does a Brick and Mortar casino stay in business offering games with as little as a 1% house edge? How can you possibly say that someone doesn’t know the first thing about the gambling industry, and then make a completely moronic statement like that? Look at it like this…
Estimate 2000 tables going at one time….with an average rake of 1 dollar per table. (I know these are pretty rough estimates, but it’ll serve to make a point. If anyone has better numbers, lemme know) Each table plays an estimated 60 hands per hour, giving us 120,000 hands per hour on the site. Scale that back to 100,000 to disregard tournaments and make sure our estimate is in the low end of the spectrum. That means the site is making 100,000 dollars PER HOUR. If that number drops to 1500 tables, they lose 25,000 dollars PER HOUR.
So, lets see…they can focus their efforts at keeping their tables/hands per hour as high as possible through shills, props, and affiliate rakeback programs, or they can rig the software. Rigging the software will chase away some of the people sitting at those tables ’cause obviously not all of us would be dumb enough to fall for it (You obviously aren’t), violate numerous laws causing the likelihood of Congressional pressure on escrow and online payment method companies further reducing their volume, and even put the site at risk for shut down and law suits, thereby losing 100,000 dollars per hour. They would do all this so some fake prop-bot who works for Party Poker can bust your sorry ass at the $25 NL table by going runner-runner?
The “almost-negligible” rake that you say no real gambling business would be content with making can approach 2 million dolalrs PER DAY. This is for an industry that requires no goods to produce their product, and no costs of shipping their product. For a completely service based industry, 2 million a day in gross revenue is not something to be taken lightly. At least some of the other posters came up with theories of action generated hands and such to cap the rake…you just spouted some nonsense about greed and called it a day.
Lastly, “Never in the history of Mankind has a gambling operation been legit.” Lets have a source or two on that.
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Well finally some people agreeing with me. No not the person above me. Sure they can make 2 millions dollars a day, but what’s wrong with 10 million a day?
You say each table’s rake is $60 an hour. But what if they hire a shill player on a table to clean someone out for $300 in just one shot? Wouldn’t they do it? What have they got to lose? Poker site all over tells us that “good players” accept bad beats like a sport. So chances are the victime won’t notice. Plus it makes other players want to play more hoping they can win the same way.
Check this out at the $4/8 NL (5 players):
I have pocket KK on the button.
Guy to my right limps in, I raise it to $24.
Small blind folds, Big blind calls, another folds and the player (to my right) calls.
Flop comes out A K 5 raimbow. Perfect. Big blind checks, guy to my right bets $16, I call (slow play) and Big Blind calls as well.
At this point I am hoping someone has an Ace.
Turn comes out an 8.
Guy to my right bets $24, I raise it to $70 (hoping he wouldn’t fold his Ace). Big blind calls my raise and player to my right reraises all in for just over $200… uh oh. Does he have AA? Could be two pair. I can’t fold my set of Kings. So I call. BB calls as well.
River: 6. I put the rest of my chips in for an additional $250 and BB calls. The pot is $1200 something dollars if I can remember.
BB reveals 4-7 offsuit! And takes the pot! I lose my set of Kings. And the guy to my right sights saying “What a lucky f*ck! Oh well my two pair would’ve lost anyways”.
I announced to the table that that player from ISTANBUL (the BB) was a shill/bot employed by the company and that I was never coming to that RIGGED site again! Let’s re-examine shall we:
Hands in flop: 47 ….. KK ….. xx
Flop: A – K – 5 and $16 bet all around.
Turn: 8, a $24 bet, raise to $70 and reraise to over $200
River: 6
What was the player (shill) doing in a preflop-raised AK5 flop with a $16 bet with 4-7 offsuit? And why would he call a $200 reraise on turn drawing only to a 6? And no he was not a maniac. He folded many hands before, even got bluffed a couple of times.
If you think online Poker is as random as in real life you’re an retard.
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a* retard^^ Sry abou the typo
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