Party Poker Cracked

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I just read an interesting thread over at Full Contact Poker. It’s about Party Poker Cracked.

…I will not call a raise, or place a bet more than $5 preflop with AA, KK, or QQ! If I bet $2 and it goes to $10 I am usually going to lay that hand down (fold). I almost always check these hands. After the flop, if I don’t get a set I usually fold if there is a bet over $1.

I need to find out where this guy plays. Who in their right mind wouldn’t go all-in pre-flop with pocket rockets? I don’t care how many opponents are already in the pot or how many call after you, but you’re getting more than the correct odds on any call in this situation in a ring game. The author of this book probably walks around his home wearing a tin foil hat. I’m suprised he even uses the Internet. Doesn’t he know that the FBI is tracking our every move. HA HA!

I’m amazed at how many people still believe that online poker is rigged. Why on earth would these companies risk going under when all they have to do is run a legitimate business and make hundreds of millions a year?

88 thoughts on “Party Poker Cracked”

  1. Party Poker is without a doubt rigged. I can sit and call up hands by instinct rather than value. In play money its easy to accumulate many many millions. The same pattern is also true in the real money. When I started on real money tables I realized that no matter what hand I had(not like real cards) it would’nt win, and was offset somehow by other players. That and the FACT that players will gang up on you ALOT at Party Poker. I had a table tell me I was “marked” and they responded to each other in disfavor of me, without me saying anything to anyone!

    Players help each other change the momentum on the table by building another player or players up, while one call shadows you or raises every time you’re in. Another player will act as a random player so it mixes it up better. I also think if they communicate someone who isnt playing watches and helps at all times. Im never going back to that god aweful site that is BLATANTLY RIGGED WITHOUT A DOUBT IN MY MIND.

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  2. Party Poker itself may not be doing anything illegal, BUT their is PLENTY of cheaters at real money tables helping each other out. It took several players ALL DAY to break me and created alot of hostility towards me even though I said nothing to anyone. The patters are also quite predictable, this gives people confidence in their play so they comeback. Liekwise if you play crapp NO MATTER what hand you have it will lose. That is NOTHING like real life poker draws. Losing does’nt perpetuate losing.

    So if you stay around and listen to all these jokers who want to take your money, you’re the idiot, get away from Party Poker.

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  4. I was playing the other day I made to the final table of a MTT and the first hand I pick up AA under the gun. I just limped in, hoping for any raise then I would push. Everyone folded though, except SB called and BB checked.

    Flop came 2A3

    SB went all in

    BB raised all in

    I called of course

    SB turned over A2

    BB turned over 23

    river was no help for those two, I showed my trips and tripled up!

    Isnt this just typical, but this time I was fortunate enough to be on the lucky side!

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  6. This thread is hilarious. It really makes me want to play more on Party. If there are this many utter fools playing poker online there are fortunes to be made.

    It’s idiotic to believe these sites are rigged. Even if they were, you wouldn’t notice it amongst the huge variance you get in anything less that 10,000 hands and you’d need to statistically analyse it to spot a thing. The idea that you notice that you win until the bonus clears and then somehow it magically makes you lose is beyond stupid.

    This cracks me up: “Party Poker is without a doubt rigged. I can sit and call up hands by instinct rather than value. In play money its easy to accumulate many many millions”

    No way!? You mean to say that play money games are easier, looser and have bigger pots than real money. You amaze me. And you can call hands “by instinct”. You must be a rich man.

    This is even better “When I started on real money tables I realized that no matter what hand I had(not like real cards) it wouldn’t win, and was offset somehow by other players.”

    Nothing to do with you either experiencing negative variance, or god forbid, you not being a very good player then?

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  7. Party Poker is rigged and thats the bottom line. I love when I hear, “why would they rig it, there making tons of money, why risk it?”. Heres a news flash for you, online gambling is ILLEGAL. Let me say that again. Online gambling is ILLEGAL OK. So what there doing is not allowed anyway. So why not make as much money as possible. Notice on all the party poker commercials how it says, this is not a gambling site. I have played party poker for a while now, and have just seen to much. There is collision, computer bots that work for the server, you name it. Time to fact the facts. As far as online gambling goes, party poker is the worst. Why do you think that no pros will endorse or go near party poker?

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  10. what gets my goat is not whether Party might be rigged, it is the nutjobs like those who posted the speculation here without actually showing any proof.

    Dont just say its rigged and expect someone to prove you wrong. Get off your lazy ass and clearly demonstrate it. Otherwise crawl back into your hole with your tinfoil hat and let the poker world get on with its business

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  11. Try this test

    Take a pack of cards ,deal yourself AA face up,deal another two hole card face up ,thaen deal five in the middle

    You would be surprised to see what beats your rockets

    Ten hands I got beat by 3,8 os+2,jos 9,3ds

    In party poker you have to protect your hand by betting big even then you still get beat if you don’t like it then play golf

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  12. Party poker is deffinately rigged.The shills stand out a mile, usually its to late sadly becuase by then they have your money. If thats not bad enough im sure people have found a way to cheat. If you play at this site be prepared to be cheated out of your money in a VERY manipulated mannor. Anyone that opposes this fact is usually an affiliate of party poker (Nick Momrik for example) whom make a good living off the back of sending innocent people to their deaths on this site knowing they’ll end up broke.

    I guarantee you in the near future party poker and the others will be laughing on the other side of their faces.

    I recently uninstalled party poker from my computer,even though i’d stopped playing their a while ago, did you know party poker plants a trojan on your computer?? , well yes they do, its apparantly so they can get screenshots off your computer to make sure you’re not using cheating software.

    After i uninstalled i telephoned them and told them i wanted to close my poker account, i was told i had to this via email, so thats the way i did it.

    I suggest anyone that thinks this site is corrupt not only uninstalls their software but ALSO requests to have their accounts closed, its a way of making a stand, after all, the bottom line is, their is NOTHING we can do about party poker’s cheating, and they KNOW it, so tell them to close your account, you’ll at least have the last laugh.

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  13. Lex how can you prove that an online poker site is rigged, tell me that. You can’t. Online companies generate hundreds of millions of dollars. Do you think your average Joe is going to crack a multibillion dollar industry with thousands of people working to keep them in business. It has nothing to do with being lazy. Why be so extreme about something that can not be done. It does nothing to further your point. Online poker is rigged and thats the bottom line. It is run like a business. They will do everything in their power to maximize thier own profit, its the basic law of human instinct. Every company on the face of the planet operates under this principle, what more proof can you need. Do you think the CEO’s of these companies care about the integrety of thier games? Hell no. What their doing is already illegal, as gambling is not allowed online in the US. They know that many underage people gamble on their site but do they care? Not one bit. Party poker creates situations which maximizes betting (in cash games to maximize ther rake), speed the tournaments along, (If a short stack races against a large stack, the short stack will lose 95 percent of the time), and of course, screw you royally if you decide to cash out. One time I went on a run and won about 2000, a lot of which came from black jack. I then went on to lost 14 straight 50 dollar sit an gos. I got sucked out on almost all of them by the most unbelievable circumstances imaginable. Time to face the facts people. Your playing against a house that answers to no one, who uses electronics and signals to bring you THEIR game. If you had your finger on the money button, and all you had to do was tap it to make more money, I think you would hit that button all the time

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  14. I certainly feel fishy about Party Poker, especially when Im wining a ring game.

    Any statistical analyses of hands has to be very involved and tricky. A chi squared test on hand frequencies is no where near enough, yet this is what PP has as the major part of their audit example.

    Its fair for people to be suspicious, after all who after playing for a while doesnt understand that when youre the big stack you have extra luck in your favour when a small stack is all in against you? Its uncanny.

    I also have experienced the surprising turn of luck that occurs when you withdraw money, bad beats galore. This of course could just be paranoia, but 3 times in a row now I have withdrawn 2/3 of my bankroll earnt over a month and then promptly lost the rest in 1 day through some crazy bad luck.

    A statistical analyses should really do a chi squared test on the frequency of bad beats that cause the game to finish faster than it otherwise would vs a normal variance.

    Im quite suspicious that there would be an anomaly there. Unfortunately it would be necessary to get hand histories of a few of the people at each table analysed which is a difficult task.

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  15. So I’ve read this entire post and there are some intelligible people, and then there are some idiots. It’s concievable that there is some slight rigging to generate more profit, but on a scale so small that the magnitude of the anomaly in variance is not statistically significant. If I can rig something to give me an extra dollar of profit every 3000 hands and I deal 3 billion hands – that’s an extra $1,000,000 in my pocket and no one is ever going to be able to detect it. Online poker is a business, and you should view this small advantage as the premium you pay on the convenience of this form of entertainment and accept the fact that this is how the business world works. But any large scale rigging would be easily detectable with college-level statistics and would have been brought to the table and exposed by now.

    What it boils down to is this –

    The rapid fire nature of hands in online poker rooms allows for the quantity of bad beats to be overstated in contrast to the pace of a sit-down table game. Human nature is such that when an adverse stimulus such as a bad beat increases in relative frequency in contrast to what is “normal”, the average player can’t help but go on tilt and make irrational decisions and become biased about the outcomes of hands. When you have more than half of the players in this situation, it provides for sloppy games, especially at the lower limits, and alot of shitty hands inevitably take down ones that “should win”. When you find yourself in this situation, sit back and analyze exactly what was different about your style of play during your losing streak versus your winning streak and I’d be willing to bet my bankroll for my next trip to vegas that you’ll find a much higher correlation between your mood and habit of play with your losses than whether you cashed out recently or not.

    Sure I have winning streaks and losing streaks, and I get very frustrated during the losing streaks. But if I take a week or two off and get my head back in the game, I start doing well again. It’s not because Party Poker is giving me better hands to entice me to play more, it’s because I’m more clear headed and have the correct mindset to play good poker. Stop blaming the fact that you don’t recognize that you’re on tilt on a conspiracy to steal from you, when more likely than not, you’re throwing your money away because you’re getting pissed about the bad beats.

    It could also be that you just don’t have a good grasp on your poker skill level. I can sit at a $5 sit and go and dominate it and win money 85% of the time, but I make more money spending an hour at work. If I play a $10 tournament, I win 40-50% of the time, and make about the same amount of money per hour. If I venture higher than that, I lose unless I get lucky and bag some ridiculous hands. Evaluate your skill at poker, document your mental state when you have your losing streaks, make adjustments, reevaluate, and then decide whether the man is out to get you. Play smart, or don’t play at all because it’s obviously making you unhappy and shaking you up to the level of quasi-retardation.

    Also, for all of you Asians out there that posted, your broken english and misuse of plurals was painful to read. Fix it, or stay the hell away from the customer service industry. That is all.

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  16. PartyPoker is rigged.. If you have ever played there you know.. if you have a pocket pair 90% of the time someone else does too.. If you can afford to test this theory.. make 6 accounts log them into a table and wait for one of them to get a pocket pair.. You will see.

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  17. I’ve been playing party poker for a couple of years and I must say that I have always suspected this site to be rigged.

    Numerous times I have found myself in a hand were the opponent makes an impossible call and somehow gets it on the river everytime.

    The same thing happens to my father as he has been playing for the same amount of time as me.

    This makes me think that some people have actually learned to exploit the program.

    I have had someone tell me that he’s talked to people that work at party poker and they’ve shared with him that the game is designed to increase the rake somehow. I guess that’s just hearsay, and I cannot prove it but man sometimes it really is odd.

    Dave

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  20. I have read this entire post and here are my thoughts. In my opinion I think PP is rigged for the following reasons:

    1. Human nature. CEO’s of well known financial and retail corporations right here in America (where they are supposedly “regulated” by our laws and the SEC) have proven that there is no such thing as – “I’m making enough money – no need to make more”. Martha Stewart fucked herself over bigtime over stock that was valued somewhere around $260K and yet she was worth millions. If she had just took her losses she would’ve only lost about half of her initial investment. But she broke the law by accepting insider info. Why? Greed. Tyco chairman was worth millions and also had a million dollar salary and yet was ripping the company off big time. Why? Greed. Enron – even though the CEO’s had close to million dollar annual salaries they still chose to cheat thousands upon thousands OF THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES and stockholders. Why? Greed.

    Now this is only an example of the ones who were caught. We all know that this shit has been going on FOR YEARS! These guys never feel that enough is enough. If they can make more money by cheating – they will. Its human nature.

    If CEO’s who have salaries of 300x to 400x the average workers salary would screw over their own employees that they see and speak to every day, what makes you think that these guys who are overseas would hesitate in screwing over the average joe whom they never have to see or speak to. Not only that, these American CEO’s robbed their employees of their retirement funds, kids college funds, etc. These online poker CEO’s are probably thinking, “look I’m only taking a few hundred dollars from Joe Blow-I’m not that bad of a person”.

    2. From my own personal experience of playing at PP I can very much identify with the “predictable hands”. Its pretty bad when you can literally call out ahead of time what the turn and river will be. There are some pretty strong patterns at PP and you would have to be a fool to deny it.

    3. I also can agree with the guy who said he was playing multiple tables and saw the same flops on the same tables multiple times. I hardly ever play multiple tables and in the rare 3 or 4 times that I did (and I have never played anymore than 2 games at the same time) I experienced the “identical flop on multiple tables” multiple times. You can argue – “how can you say that and you’ve only played multiple tables 3 or 4 times”. My argument is, “what are the odds that with the extremely low rate in which I played multiple tables that I would repeatedly see the same flop on the same tables?” I would say those odds are extremely extremely low. But yet it happened. To me that says one of two things. Either I am an extremely “lucky” person to hit those odds of seeing the same flop or that identical flops occur on multiple tables at a hi rate at PP.

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