I just read an interesting thread over at Full Contact Poker. It’s about Party Poker Cracked.
…I will not call a raise, or place a bet more than $5 preflop with AA, KK, or QQ! If I bet $2 and it goes to $10 I am usually going to lay that hand down (fold). I almost always check these hands. After the flop, if I don’t get a set I usually fold if there is a bet over $1.
I need to find out where this guy plays. Who in their right mind wouldn’t go all-in pre-flop with pocket rockets? I don’t care how many opponents are already in the pot or how many call after you, but you’re getting more than the correct odds on any call in this situation in a ring game. The author of this book probably walks around his home wearing a tin foil hat. I’m suprised he even uses the Internet. Doesn’t he know that the FBI is tracking our every move. HA HA!
I’m amazed at how many people still believe that online poker is rigged. Why on earth would these companies risk going under when all they have to do is run a legitimate business and make hundreds of millions a year?
Nick Momrik 
Mike Tooley is a genius. If you did not read his post, please scroll back up to July 10th. Right on the money, Mike.
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I agree with Mike on this however the best thing people can do to build there bankroll and handle the bad beats in use the poker bonuses avalible.
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Is online poker rigged? I dont know, maybe. Since the last few posts seem to be on the mike bandwagon, let me not disappoint and jump on too. You just never know.
People are spitting out the odds of two people flopping sets to be 1/16384 and claim thats its rare. While I understand your math, I feel like those numbers point to two specific players doing it, not a ring game of ten. According to the numbers, it seems like you would rarely see it, but I see it all the time, especially in live games. In fact, I saw three people flop sets in a $1/2 No limit game in Atlantic City; feel free to do the math. Anything can happen.
I too have had people capping the turn with low inside straight draws and hitting. In fact, I watched the same guy do it twice in an hour, once wit 10 3 off and once wit 2 4 off. Does he know what cards are coming? Maybe, but what can you do. You can just bitch about it and continue to play. Because thats what we are going to do because we enjoy playing poker.
Everything that happens online, happens in live games also. It seems like it happens more often and it does, only because you play anywhere from 60-120 hands per hour as opposed to 30 hands per hour at a casino. More tables, more players, more hands – MORE BAD BEATS…its that simple.
Not to contradict myself, like I said “I don’t know if sites are rigged”, but if I had to endorse one online scandal, it would be the “cash out curse”. I’ve had it happen to me so many times. My roommate and I once turned 25 cents into $1100 in 2-3 weeks playing consistent, solid poker. Upon withdrawing about $800, we lost the other $300 in the next 3 days not changing anything about our styles. Here the online site is losing the opportunity of raking your money, while it “changes hands”, so why wouldn’t they take the rest of your money before you decide to do it again?
With regards to “Party Poker Cracked”, I haven’t read it. I’m familiar with some of its concepts, but like I said you see it more often because your playing more hands (4 tables at a time, 75 hands an hour) thats 10 times the amount you would play in a live game in a hour. I was looking into the book until I saw the same advertisement calling it “Paradise Poker Cracked” at http://www.BeatParapoker.com. All they did was change all the “Party’s” to “Paradise”, they didnt even bother to change the logo. They red and yellow chip is still there with all the green background. Paradise Poker is completely different. To me, that screams hoax, but you be the judge.
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Whether games are rigged or not, I always have to laugh when I hear the logical reasons it is not.
Bottom line is this, you can make more by cheating.
“Why would they RISK that?” UMMM, it’s illegal to begin with. That’s like asking ‘why would someone cut cocaine with baking soda?’
Supposedly the biggest problem is collusion. But my god 1 droid at every 5th table = how many millions more a year?
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Your probability calculations are TOTALLY wrong unless you were playing heads up. Odds of two people getting a pair is only 1 in 256 if it’s a heads up situation. In a ring game it’s FAR bigger.
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This is so foolish. If the site was rigged, I wouldn’t win 50% of my sit and gos. I wouldn’t have had a losing streak when I started playing poker (for the first time in my life nonetheless) on Party Poker a year ago. They would have coddled me as a new gambler and given me great odds as some of you claimed. I wouldn’t be able to follow pot odds and come out on top in the end. Wait a second, I’m only one person, statistically useless pretty much. So take a clue, and stop basing all these crackhead arguments on an hour, a day, a week, or even a month of play. Party poker is about to deal their 3 BILLIONTH hand. Get records on THAT many hands and maybe then we’ll talk about rigged systems. Otherwise, STFU and fold.
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I think a lot of people have noticed here that the online poker system being used is very different from what we see in real poker. There could be any number of reasons for why it seems that the system favors dealing out the fancy hands (high cards, pairs, suits, connectors). I have come up with this idea that the system is not using an entire 52-card deck when it deals out each person’s hand. The system could be selecting which cards are included into each hand before they are actually distributed to each of the players. If this were true, the random number generation could still be valid, and they would just make sure to include an equal number of different cards each time in the selection in order to pass the agency inspections. On a table with 10 players, only 25 cards are needed from the deck (2 per person plus 5 for the community). Basically what I am saying is that it is possible for them to control what cards are being handed out and still be able to use the random number generator.
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Honestly, pathetic is the only word appropriate enough for you cokeheads.
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You guys are fools. Poker isn’t rigged. It’s just something you use as an excuse for SUCKING AT POKER AND LOSING. That simple.
In a live game, you may play 30 hands an hour. Woo hoo.
In an online game (at ONE TABLE) you can play 90+ on the average, while multitabling you can play multiple hundreds of hands! These 4-5x as many hands an hour equal AT LEAST 4-5x as much bad beats. The at least part is because online generally players are far worse. This totally DESTROYS any point of too many bad beats.
Now, for the “action hand” stuff. Tell me what hands you remember in your head for a longer time – hands where two people make flushes, or hands where ace high takes the pot? YOU ONLY REMEMBER THE ACTION HANDS WHICH TRICKS YOU INTO BELIEVING THEY OCCUR TOO OFTEN. You will also see 4-5x as many action hands for reasons I have already explained.
Now, the cashout curse. I deposited $50 into Party Poker, fired it up to 600, cashed out 300, fired it up to 800, cashed out 500, fired it up to 450, cashed out 100, and still going strong. Now you’re probably going to say either “lol your a fish and they are rewarding you” or “this is just an anomoly” when in fact its not. Mathematically aprox. 1025 in 10,000 players, after cashing out, are bound to go on a streak of ice cold cards. Thats right people, 10%. And this is if everyone played the same way. Alot of BAD PLAYERS who were LUCKY to get enough money to be able to cash any out will very often have their luck catch up with them and start losing. I bet you all play about 45% of your hands and bluff far too much. NEVER BLUFF LOW STAKES PLAYERS. EVER. You need to play 25-30 percent at a 9 person table TOPS before the flop. If you do this and play tight and bet agressively with monster hands, YOU WILL WIN. PERIOD.
Poker’s not rigged, people. Just an excuse for losing players to explain why they lose. “Oh, it’s rigged, THATS WHY I LOSE!” I bet if those same players went to a Casino they would get rocked.
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I also need to add that to the one guy who said RNG isn’t random – TRUE. It favors the first ten cards in the deck, after just one shuffle – however, poker sites use over TEN shuffles when only three would make the bias towards the first ten cards immesurable. Paradise poker explains this in their poker site.
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. One thing (after playing party poker a lot, and losing a lot) is that whenever i have a high pocket pair like kk,qq, or jj someone magically has aa when i decide to go for a big bet pre flop. This happens EVERY time. For me this is proof it is rigged.
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READ THIS ALL THE WAY TO THE END!! heres my experience with party poker….3 that stand out and i wont forget…these first two were within 5 hands of each other. I get two pair on the flop the other guy has high pair…big pot i know he has high pair and im just getting what i can out of him… here comes the river and it pairs the board to give him higher two pair, okay so thats understandable right, it happens well about 5 or so hands later I get a boat im all in with the rest of my chips left over from the other hand. my boat against his trips. and now the river……IT PAIRS THE BOARD AGAIN to give him higher boat. And the biggest questionable hand i have ever seen on there is when i beat quads with a straight flush…on the river. I couldnt believe it, i got him for everything he had. Obviously he was pissed. i would have been too.
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It’s usually the losers who claim ‘foul’ most often. Some people should simply come to terms with themselves and admit, that they can’t play. But NO, they must INSIST they’re being cheated! When in all actualality, they just some no playin ‘mofo’s’. Period. End of story. Truth hurts sometimes but at least you won’t be walking around with a chip, (pardon the pun), on your shoulders. Maybe try another game! Like say,……checkers! hahahha Can’t stand da heat,…….get the phuck out my kitchen!
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I think some people are misunderstanding. I don’t think this book is implying that PP is cheating and making extra profit. I think it’s just saying that there are undenyable bugs in random number generators which cause certain things to occur more often than in real life. I once saw quads 4 times in somewhere near 80-100 hands in online poker in a ring game, and have seen quads on this site LITERALLY MORE THAN 10 TIMES MORE THAN ANYWHERE ELSE PUT TOGETHER!! this is not an exageration, it is absolutely pathetic how much quads come up on this site. I think it’s clear that online poker sites have specific trends. But I don’t think anyone is necassarily saying the sites are intentionally cheating.
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I have played a huge amount of online poker… won a lot too ($33,000 in one tourny on Party Poker alone). What he is saying is not that it is necesarily rigged, but if you play long enough and watch closely what is happening, there is clear patterns that occur during play. If you are aware of these “patterns” you can avoid the bad beats, and yes actually fold AA, KK etc when you are in a losing pattern and avoid taking the big loss…
Trust me, the Robert Eagle guy is not a retard, as I use similar pattern strategies on limit games daily…
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I play ultimate bet a lot and i dunno if it’s rigged or not, but i think people have to adapt to the online style of play. Since you see more hands, you see more big hands. Whether it’s rigged or not, people need to recognize the patters and not be afraid to fold easily dominated hands like AJ.
That’s my two cents
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I would not be surprised if the one or two of the corporate brass at Party Poker are assassinated. There sure is enough ill will here.
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Obviously online poker is rigged. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either stupid, unwittingly lucky, or on the payroll. The argument that online sites like Party Poker have more incentive to keep it fair and unbiased, is a joke. No business runs that way, especially gaming, and particularly online. You must be a romantic virgin to think that online poker has every intention of keeping the play fair. Everyone knows there is no such thing as a random number generator. Even the RNG can be overridden with a few key strokes you moron, and that’s what’s always going on. The goal of online sites is to get as much money from existing and new customers for the longest time before they get shut down for their unfair practices. All games are rigged, if possible. This is the rule number one of gaming, you idiot. Why don’t these sites reveal their source code for scrutiny otherwise? This is such a dumb debate because there is only one answer. If it can be rigged, it will be rigged.
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I beleive its rigged for this reason:
I have referred 8 friends. everyone of them put on 50 bucks and they all won right away. Then they cashed out and all but one was able to keep from going broke. after the cash out bad beats were everywhere. I still play PP just because i feel talent can still leave u ahead but man would i like to se my bad beats vs my good beats
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I read that book: Party poker cracked
If you wanna read it, don’t pay for it, just get it on limewire, it’s very easy to find.
Okey, listen all of you fishes online poker player. I’m telling you a big secret. Play that way and you wil win big $$$ 100 % of the time in the long run. Keep doing like the book says and please play against me and my friends with big money.
Can’t beleive you people don’t get it. Is this how naive the average American is. I think I will tell you what I seriously know because I have pity and mercy for you…
This applys to texas hold’m
First, yes , party poker may seem different for you. It’s not like the 20 $ game you play with your friends around the table at college. When you play for real, you reraly play 10 people one the same table. That’s why when playing with your friends, you can slow play the AA and hope winnig. But figure out that the ods of winning with AA when you have 10 people fallowing are WAY WAY LESS. People play crap hands on party poker so you don’t want them to fallow your AA, thats why you RAISE THE PREFLOP A LOT SO ONLY ONE OTHER GUY ( with good very good hands fallow you ) AND YOU GET ALWAYS 1 or 2 other players that keep falowwing because they don’t know shit about poker and think they are good.OKey now the flop… Watch out !!! if there is something like 5-5-9, the stupid player might raise like shit because he called the big raised with his 2-5… why call the draw man !?!??!!? PLays are easy to read on PP. You know what, I don’t feel like explaining you more about poker.. It’s your choice of being an idiot or not. All I can say is that a good poker book is at least 200 pages . YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE ODDS
Okey now, for the rest of you that think PP is doing some illegal activities. I don’t care. I make money.. Just don’t forget that 92 % of the players are fishes. 8 % are winners in the long run. Hoo, I see 60 000 players connected on PP now, that makes a lot of fish . Let’s go fishing !!!! Now, because sometimes you get unlucky, I play 4 tables at the same time so odds get back to me and YES I MAKE MONEY.. Yes sometimes, the bad luck gets over the odds, but if you play enought the Right and TIGHT way, PP is profitable.
Just tell yourself you cannot win big if you are new or you don’t know and trully understand the odds.DO YOUR HOMEWORKS if you really want to et into this.
About the algorythm PP uses. It’s trustable. I talked about this to friends in programming and they tried to explained to me very fast how ramdoms are generated in electronics device. Let me tell you that if you really want to find some pattern in that, I with that you live very very very old.Just try the random fonciton on your calculator for an hour or so and keep righting down the numbers. If you feel you keep winning each 10 times lets say. It’s normal because of the odds, but there is not pattern and its more of a feeling you get than anything else. Yes sometimes you loose against ridiculous odds, but thats happens … it’s called BAD LUCK. tell yourself a lot of people play shit hands if you dont raise A LOT.
By the way , if you play a K-Q and raise a little bit so you get 4 -5 players on the flop. If you dont flop a pair and there is an Ace on the flop. Why do you keep calling me lol even if its suited. You need to be lucky to win. I never keep calling a maniac raise when I know there is 2 cards the guy could have that could beat me.
I swear on god, I make some money, not like crazy but it’s decent.The only guy rigg and scamming is not PP owner but the cheap book seller making you beleive anything. Ask yourself questions before thinking stupidly. Yeah , school helps a lot not being a society sheep ! Beleive me
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