I just read an interesting thread over at Full Contact Poker. It’s about Party Poker Cracked.
…I will not call a raise, or place a bet more than $5 preflop with AA, KK, or QQ! If I bet $2 and it goes to $10 I am usually going to lay that hand down (fold). I almost always check these hands. After the flop, if I don’t get a set I usually fold if there is a bet over $1.
I need to find out where this guy plays. Who in their right mind wouldn’t go all-in pre-flop with pocket rockets? I don’t care how many opponents are already in the pot or how many call after you, but you’re getting more than the correct odds on any call in this situation in a ring game. The author of this book probably walks around his home wearing a tin foil hat. I’m suprised he even uses the Internet. Doesn’t he know that the FBI is tracking our every move. HA HA!
I’m amazed at how many people still believe that online poker is rigged. Why on earth would these companies risk going under when all they have to do is run a legitimate business and make hundreds of millions a year?
Nick Momrik 
Just curious, has anyone tried any of these cheat programs, not the odds calculator but the ones that can supposed fish hole cards.
http://www.cheat-at-poker.com/ is an example, but there are also some people selling them on ebay. I think it’s basically a trojan you get players to install on their computer, but I’m not sure. Anyways, if anyone has tried…share if you don’t mind.
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Why would you want to cheat?
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After reading extensivly on this subject and having an odd recent experince (I hit quads 6 tims in the last two days), I would say the sites are mostly likely not rigged.
I did a search on the company that is “certifying” partypoker and found that it is a small company out of Australia with two main “technicians”. This seems a little odd, but there is no evidence online disputing their integrity.
I would agree with above posters that the potential for cheating exists however remote. The most convincing argument offered of online cheating thus far is “bots” that maek X dollars by taking seats. I would think this would be the easiest to get away with for a site assuming the certification process is legitimate and the cards are truely randome (I have my doubts about this but have not done extensive peronal tests….it is possible to get quads 6 times in two days, its just highly unlikely).
All in all, I am not convinced that the games are not rigged, but at the same time I cann’t argue with the money I have made from playing online despite the seemingly high bad beats I have taken.
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i found the strain that party poker uses to cheat, i’m suing the company, ya’ll should hear something in a month or so. this one is going to be BIG!
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First, suing Party Poker (at least as a U.S. citizen) is like going to the cops because you bought a kilo of cocaine and your dealer only gave you 900 grams. ONLINE GAMBLING IS ILLEGAL!!!!
Second, I don’t think Party Poker is necessarily rigged in favor of anyone, but it does set up match-ups. I can’t do this every time, but I was playing the other night at a sit-and-go, and I was predicting the turn and river extremely consistently. When I was 100% sure what it would be, I typed it into the chat screen, and the people at my table were amazed. I predicted 5 turn cards in a row and 3 rivers in a row accurately just by recognizing Party Poker patterns. There is really no such thing as random number generating. Computers are incapable of that.
Something else that Party Poker is really bad about is that it tries to speed games up. Now, I am not going to say that it isn’t possible to make really big comebacks every now and then, but it tries to eliminate short stacks. I have seen this happen time and time again.
That’s my 2 cents. I am sure more people will continue to deny, but to me it is pretty plain to see.
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The concept of “computers can not generate true random numbers” is thrown out alot in online poker discussions, but isnt quite true, in relation to poker sites. While i do not know party poker in particular, poker stars uses a machine specifically designed to create random numbers, based on thermal entropy
(a quote from pokerstars site showing how they get thier random numbers)
* user input, including summary of mouse movements and events timing, collected from client software
* true hardware random number generator developed by Intel [3], which uses thermal noise as an entropy source
Just thought id share this, its mildly pertinent to the conversation, and interesting
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And I thought no one would post. Sure enough I check back and I’ve been called a retard and asked a question. Although the answer to the question was in my first post that didn’t matter to the guy who responded saying how retarded I am. But let’s check what I said: “If it’s even, the money just changes owners and thus they rake more.” Everyone getting a piece of the flop requires that first, people call with useless hands (usually out of position). Second it requires that the hands coincide with predictable mistakes of the player. Now, consider the idea that they actually want to make a piece of software that can track your weaknesses, create a “random deck” to exploit them, and collect. The amount of money spent in R&D alone would be inhibitive as such a program has only been attempted at a university/research level with moderate success (Loki). And that was to “conspire” against only one opponent heads up. What you’re talking about here is setting up one player, or more, to the favor of another player. Well, if you want to believe they can do all that fine, but don’t call me a retard please.
Now, the idea that “everyone gets a piece of the flop” is the very reason that AA should be folded (more often in NL and SnG games). I’ll raise with the intent of only getting called by one guy, but if the pot is stacked with callers, the odds of winning keep going down. Sure pot odds will tell you to call, if you made a good first raise and then two guys behind you go all in, pot odds can be slightly ignored in favor of “survival odds.” Would you call with top pair to the river because pot odds indicated to do so? Honestly, in low limit games, there’s no reason to go all in pre-flop in ring games unless there are stacks similar to yours that you need to steer out of the pot to leave it heads up.
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My 2 cents-
Are poker sites rigged in favour of specific players?
Probably not. Although it seems like larger stacks are slightly favoured. I never noticed this in 5 months of playing True Poker, but quite a bit in just 2 weeks of playing on Poker Stars.
Are shuffling algorithyms natural ie. similar to B&M games?
Hard to say. Probably random, but somewhat weighted so that high cards are near the top wen it comes to the final stages of a SNG. Again, I rarely saw this on True Poker, but am quite aware of it on Poker Stars.
Are the flop/turn/river weighted to generate more action and speed up games?
I have no proof, but I defintitely have that get impression when I play on Poker Stars. Take an example hand i played last night:
I have pocket JJ and call a bet against 33 and KT.
First the odds of being dealt a pocket pair are 1 in 16. So the odds of two people being dealt a pocket pair are 1 in 256. Not too strange, yet. The odds of hitting trips on the flop when you hold a pocket pair is 1 in 8. So the odds of both players with pocket pairs two people hitting trips is 1/8*1/8= 1/64 * 1/256= 1/16384, which is what happened. Furthermore, the person with KT hit an open ended straight draw. The flop was J3Q. Now what are the odds of that happening? Again, this kind of stuff rarely happend in months of True Poker play, but seems to be the norm on Poker Stars.
Maybe, I am just paraniod. But Poker Stars has certainly made me feel a little uncomfortable.
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USA Today is running a story on my lawsuit in early september, i thoroughly advise anyone who has been cheated by party poker get in on this. the information will be in the story.
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I can’t speak for the others..haven’t tried em, but I can GUARANTEE party poker is not a “Raandom # Gen”. It is designed to make for big and exciting pots, with lots of ooohs and ahhh. If you look at the cards that come up (as well as hole), and compare them to any actual dealings of cards, you’ll see the variance. Ex. How many times in an hour alone do you see 2 or more peeps w/ pocket pairs…? Makes for an exciting pot! Also, how many times in 1 hour do you see trips on the board..? Wow, another exciting pot!!
The only thing random there is whether it will be an all or nothing pot…it’ll either be quads over a full house, or it’ll be a pair of 2’s that walk.
Anyone who thinks there isn’t a slant to it, needs to sit down with an actual deck of cards and deal many hands, do the same number you’d play in an hour online and see what happens. DO NOT use a program to run a series of hands….do it manually. Remember, the algorithm set for deals by any program is ultimatly written by someone, therefore not “random”.
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And a person shuffling a deck of cards is not random either. Have you ever compared the numbers? I have and Party Poker is about as random as it gets.
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To add on to that, I seem to be coming across %9.1 (or 91) out of 1000 hands with 2 people having pocket pairs.
If you play at party poker, you can verify that it is WAY ABOVE this in just 100 hands.
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You can’t base anything on 100 or 1000 hands. When you have numbers for hundreds of thousands of hands then you can make a case. I could flip a coin and it would turn up heads 5 times in a row. Does that mean the coin is rigged? Hell no. It’s called statistical variance.
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Having read the conditions PP says it is not set up for professional play . It is after all called PARTY poker
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The same person who put out this e-book in question also put one out about Poker Stars. The site states that the numbers are not random, but are set up not so that every player gets a piece of the pot, but so that certain situations develop that make the game more exciting, thus drawing people back to the site. I have yet to play any online poker where my own hard earned dinero is involved, (I’m still skepticle) but I do have been playing Poker Stars for a while and you tend to notice that the normal percentages for hitting a hand are out the window. I have never seen so many straights, flushes, boats in my life, as I have in a couple of hours playing Poker Stars. You also can’t dismiss the oddity of having 4 players all in, only to see their hole cards as 10’s, A’s, A/K, and 7’s. Not that this is impossible, but it happens TOO OFTEN.
As far as the internet gambling goes… it is not illegal if you live in an area where gambling is legal.
Also, there is no way to know if these are legit or not, as online gambling sites are not regulated by any governing body.
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Party poker is nothing but a pull of a handle on a slot machine(as are most of the sites, however I find poker stars to be a little less of a pull…more so the good hands win on poker stars. Now come on people, you know this is a site full of juiced cards to induce bigger pots. Party poker gives you win and take it right back buy putting u on a bad beat string. there for keeping them in buss. Just think about this for a sec….now lets say your new player(fish) never won….what would party poker be…party pokers bread and butter is new player. Also think about this. Lets say u have 20,000 good players online playing high stakes or lets put 250 million new players who are going to come and go…but stay a while if the site shows them some wins If you are of some inelegance after playing the site ongoing for a few months with several hours of play, you will clearly see the horse shi*. U will only see the online poker world come to fair game when it is made fully legal. Until then use the correct formula to make your way to the top.
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The only “evidence” that I can offer that PP is rigged is that I find the play money games (in which the house has no economic interest)to be VERY different from the real money games. The real money games are loaded with unbelievable River draws and frought with bad beats. Of course, all of these events also happen in live casino games but to a MUCH lesser degree.
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I play on Partypker, pokertropolis,pacificpoker and while I do not think they are “rigged” in the normal sense of the word, they do distribute the cards using a random number generator. Since there is not such a thing as a truly random number, if, like robert eagle claims in his book, partypokercracked, you can detect a pattern, you would definitely have the advantage. This is not an easy task and I give mr. eagle credit for attempting it. i have been a programmer since 1978 and created many programs using a random number generator, is is actually called a pseudo random number generator. the catch is the pseudo. mr. eagle’s book has made me a better player by using his excellent charts. the pattern detector is difficult. i have written my own book, how to play texas hold’em on the internet, available at http://www.pokerbydutch.com but i defer to mr. eagle. both our books are valuable additions for the on line poker players. sorry for this long response, there is much more, i have my own blog, you will find it on my web site, comments more than welcome. may all your pots be huge, dutch
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I seriously think Part Poker has some system which gives better cards and fortune to those who are just beginning to play. In four years of poker I have never had a losing week until these past two weeks with online poker. For four years I have played real poker at live tables and just started online poker last week. In my first four days I was up about a grand or so, and since have lost it all plus a couple hundred more. Again, i had NEVER been down for a week’s total until now and have played poker professionally for four years.
I think they have it skewed for people to get better hands their first 20 or so hours of playing, that way they get hooked and play forever. This would be OK if it didn’t fuck you over in the tourneys because some new shitty player always gets amazing odds. I know of course this kind of stuff happens in poker, but not this opften. I’ve been eliminated from countless tourneys like enver before to horrible flops and turns and rivers..
I don’t know how to explain this or how it could be done, but I see no other reason for my run of unfortune. Its been ridiculous.
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