I just read an interesting thread over at Full Contact Poker. It’s about Party Poker Cracked.
…I will not call a raise, or place a bet more than $5 preflop with AA, KK, or QQ! If I bet $2 and it goes to $10 I am usually going to lay that hand down (fold). I almost always check these hands. After the flop, if I don’t get a set I usually fold if there is a bet over $1.
I need to find out where this guy plays. Who in their right mind wouldn’t go all-in pre-flop with pocket rockets? I don’t care how many opponents are already in the pot or how many call after you, but you’re getting more than the correct odds on any call in this situation in a ring game. The author of this book probably walks around his home wearing a tin foil hat. I’m suprised he even uses the Internet. Doesn’t he know that the FBI is tracking our every move. HA HA!
I’m amazed at how many people still believe that online poker is rigged. Why on earth would these companies risk going under when all they have to do is run a legitimate business and make hundreds of millions a year?
Nick Momrik 
You’re an idiot… Online poker is clearly rigged, and why you ask?… So they can make more money… If you run a poker site legitimately, you’re not going to rake in as much money as you would if you could some how rig it so that everyone gets a piece of the flop.
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haha
I just have to laugh!
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You’d be an idiot to think that they rig it. If everyone gets a piece of every flop they make less money. If it’s even, the money just changes owners and thus they rake more. Also, all in with pocket rockets isn’t the smartest thing to do. Same with KK and QQ. Online it’s not that it’s rigged, it’s just that people go in with stranger hands than pocket pair or slick. So you have 2 outs with AA and some people will go in with flush draw or multiple people will go in with lower pocket pairs. Just not very good chances of winning since so many people will draw on your pot.
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I highly doubt that online poker is rigged. Sure, they might a little more money if they rig it, but why would they risk it? If they got caught they would get sued, and nobody would play at their site anymore. This is especially true with all of the corporate fraud going on today. (e.g. Enron) Company’s ethics are in the spot light today. Also, in response to the going all in with AA preflop, you’re a moron if you have a chance to go all in with this hand and don’t do it. Even if there are other players in the hand (which lessens the value of your hand), the pot size increases and according to pot odds, you should make the call. You might lose that one hand, but in the long run, you should win. Bottom line is that if there are alot of drawing hands out there, your chances of winning go down, but the pot size increases, thus justifying a call.
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I totally agree. In tournaments, I’ve read some things about folding AA pre-flop because if you lose you are out and there might be better situations to risk your tournament life. But in ring games…you have to play the odds and make that all-in call with AA.
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In a tournament you should vary your play with pockets including AA, KK & QQ. However, I generally raise with these hands. As for All-in, that depends on how tight the table is, if you think someone will call you then go all-in. If knowone calls then you just one the blinds+ maybe a little more, way to use those rockets.
Rigging online is possible and a site or two may, however the real reason the flops and deal seem to be different than real life is due to the random number genereator. After a deck has been played it needs to be shuffled between 7 and 13 times to randomize it again. I don’t know of a place that does that, hence some players will ask them to “wash the deck.” Therefore the random number generator truly creates a random deck.
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He’s not saying partypoker or any other site is rigging the game obviously they aren’t but there are individuals who team up or on their own that rig games. The software doesn’t give out random cards like in real life it tries to put their are flaws. This doesn’t help the site in any way but it does leave the possibility of cheating to occur to the few who care enough to work at it.
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hahaha, just as I started typing my sit n go started, and i was dealt AA first hand, quick double up..
Yeah party poker on crack, hahaha Rob Eagle is a retard.
Even more retarded is someone actually buying that crap.
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who will pursue and arrest any of these OFF SHORE sites for fraud?? It hasnt happened and it wont happen, not by any American authority. Party Poker’s card distribution is obviously suspect (to almost any decent player who has played there a while). How many straights beat sets on the river? How many little wheels get beat by A-highs? How many flushes beat by better flushes? How many 4 of a kind can one person see in 1000 hands??????? How many pocket A’s can you see in 500 hands????? How many flush, straight, or High card paired flops do you need to see???? Go play Paradise for 6 months (w/ Price Waterhouse Cooper card auditing by the way), then come back to Party and in 48 hours you’ll see it all plain as day – THE ONLY CARD THAT CAN BEAT YOU IS ALWAYS CARD THAT BEATS YOU
I quote one guy, totally un-proven statement, but one player the other day, after busting my straight w/ full house (he played 2/4 off) said:
“Sorry, I’m representing a ‘bad’ player-just doing my job.”
He didnt respond to any chat after that, which was strange. It was like he was a paid “bot” to play like a bad player, and bet and/or raise every time no matter what came.
This is the site you choose to play on… gl
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I found this system to work quite well. Gave it a try and have made $50 profit today from using it. If anyone else has tried it please let me know your results.
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i know that party poker is rigged as i started to notice a chain of events that happens almost every time if certain action is taken pre flop (not by you but by another player) unlike the guy who wrote the book im keeping my secret as it is making me a fair amount of money
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ANY of you who believe any of this rubbish are absolute retards! Download Poker Tracker, play 15,000 hands and THEN come and tell me PP is rigged. If you see any variance in the amount of of times you are dealt AA vs. any other pocket pair, you have a case and might as well sue the website. I can assure you, there won’t be any difference….and if there is, play another 15,000 hands and see what happens. Don’t you realize the guy who wrote this is no fool, he doesn’t WANT to be facing your AA, KK or QQ everytime you’re dealt it. Although I would LOVE for some of you to believe this hype, don’t hurt yourself or your bankroll. Remember kiddies, even AA loses to 72o 12.6% of the time. Just because you have those high pockets doesn’t mean it’s gonna be an automatic winner for you. It’s such a simple mathamatical concept that some of you peeons can’t seem to grasp.
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“If everyone gets a piece of every flop they make less money.”
wow… what a retard you are… were you dropped on your head as a child? eat any lead paint chips?… how could they make less rake if everyone gets a piece of the flop?… God damned idiot.
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Wow, is that the real Ellix Powers? If so, your my favorite player man. I loved your style of play during the wsop. I would absolutely love to do an interview with you for my site.
Take care partner.
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First of all I play on numerous online poker sites. Every poker site pans out to be genuine that I have played, except Party Poker. I am 100% sure that Party Poker is rigged. Aside from my personal expereinces with Party Poker, you can go anywhere on the internet and see thousands of people that say the same thing, but you don’t read anything about the other poker sites. Why does Party Poker continually come up?
When I play online poker I usually play 4 games at once and the tables flops (at Party Poker)coincide from table to table, which sometimes I can figure out whether or not to play my hand based on what happens at the other tables Mostly I avoid Party Poker, but I am sure their is a way to use this rigged site to your advantage in knowing that it is fixed. I just can’t believe that this site gets away with this blantant and obvious card rigging. I am pissed and something needs to be done about it. Party Poker needs to be audited and taken off the internet.
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Maybe you need to be taken off the Internet. Party gets the most exposure because they have the most players.
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So, I’m on the side with folks who do NOT believe the algorithms are rigged, and that it would be INSANE to rig the game to enhance the rake and most of the other common arguments.
Also, I’m no conspiracy theorist, but try this one on for size. If you owned an offshore poker site, on Gibraltar or somewhere where you are KING and answerable to nobody, certainly not the government crooks there who are beholden to your kickbacks – wouldn’t you make damn sure that the algorithms are legit and that third parties verify it as so and manage everything squeeky clean except in one regard . . .
If you do the math and realize I could set up a room of players who can tap the site to see everybody’s cards and where the whole flop is headed. Whenever I have a hand that will win down to the river based on who is betting into the pot, I play into them knowing that my hand will hold up in the end.
So, here’s the thing. I play online and win more than I lose. I’m a “pro,” according to Poker Prophecy and all that nonsense. But, I’ll be damned if I don’t believe some of these mafioso guys know full well they can make another $100 million or so by setting up this kind of shop. Nobody can bust them doing it by analyzing the software. They might get caught one day, but probably believe they will, and will, knock back a billion or so beforehand.
Now, none of this theory keeps me from plyaing. But, I’ve seen guys at the tables who demonstrate a solid style or a specific style and the next minute they are doing the craziest thing in the world. I mean flat stupid. But, they win, where any player would calculate the odds of the move and decide not to do it. I’ve seen this many times. Think about it.
I bet if the NSA set-up a three or four hundred automaton players written to play the hole card, implied, pot and flop odds, they would find among the bots that are losing a disproportionate share of losses on the losing end of the established statistical odds. In other words, the math would not ultimately add up.
Still, I play and I totally believe the arguments of those who do not believe the games are rigged, at least in the way they talk about them being rigged.
Think about it. One day, someone is going to discover one of these shops in operation. And, when they do the math, it’s going to be big numbers.
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LOL
Why would any poker site try and rig there game it is better to take a little all day every day than take a lot on a few occasions and have the site closed in a week THINK ABOUT IT!!!, the problem with todays poker is that there are so many more people playing from all over the world at so many different standards and with so many different personal bank balances how do you know who you are playing, $100 for me is a lot but for the person going all in pre flop with 7 2 it could be “a drop in the ocean” before you would mainly play against people who KNOW how to play poker fold with rubbish and play with good (I would prefere to play against a pro than a fish any day of the week, why, because I have read the book that the pro’s wrote and know what they are going to do but a new fish hell if they are feeling lucky 7 2 off suit is good why would anyone want to play [or chance it] against a player who thinks like that), but now you could get called with everything and anything personally I never go all in pre flop with pocket aces as you only need one person with say a lower pair to hit one of these cards on the flop and your odds have hit the floor, pockets rockets in my book is the perfect chance to slow play. In the long term the pro will always win more in a ring game, but in a tournament anything can happen.
Thats why we all play and no matter how many storys we read or get told we all still love the rush, long live on line poker!!!!!!!!.
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Thinking that online poker is rigged is typically something that people who lose too much money come up with to justify why they can’t seem to win when it looks so easy for Gus Hansen on TV. If you actually think about it logically, in most no-limit hands you’re going to be hitting a max rake pre-flop in a lot of instances. There is a cap on the rake and this keeps both the house in B&M and the online versions from doing just what people think happens online.
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LMAO!
I don’t know if poker sites are rigged or not. Some, many or none. But, I think everybody here who is so sure that sites are not rigged are really fooling themselves. This business is already ILLEGAL in the US. Yet, they operate abroad and reach us domestically. Who is going to shut them down for rigging? Who do you know that works for the certifying agencies? If you worked for an agency with unenforceable or weak or occassional oversight and you got a bag o’ cash, would you confirm the site as legit or shut down your payola? How many persons in Europe, or Malta or the Caymans are hot and bothered about the law or principles? How do you know the version of the software that has been checked is the version that runs after the check?
You don’t know.
You don’t know.
The whole rake argument and “why would they do it with so much legitimate revenue coming in” case don’t resolve the question of whether they are in any way rigging the games. Casinos all over the world have rigged odds more in their favor to make a point here and two points there. If any of you believe you KNOW that the online sites are not, would not, could not fix anything in this virtual world they control absolutely without having to answer to any governing body, then you are very, very foolish.
This does not mean that some, most or all of them are not wholly above board. But, to believe it must naturally be so is like crystal-balling national security council meetings. You’re not there. You don’t have the details. To believe none of these sites have a financial incentive to pull more money from their large communities of addicted gamers, even if that means doing something shady, well, its naive.
Of course, it’s kind of hard to play regularly, daily, and spend so much time in these poker rooms and also believe you’re being ripped off somehow. So, it’s kind of natural to argue that nothing could possibly be askew.
If I had a poker site pulling back $100M/month on the straight and narrow, the only thing I would do is work to get more players online and possibly open up another branded site. But, if someone explained to me how I could knock back another $10M per month by setting up omniscient players to NOT rake or SPEED up tournaments, but to TAKE THE POTS, and I had no morals, well, I might have to think about that.
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